Vikram Goyal's Weblog

// If anything I have learned living out of India, is that no job is too small or simple. It just doesn't pay well. :)//

This works only when it is an encounter among forgieners.. but among indians you always have the imperior & superior feelings..

"just because I am from India doesn't mean that I will want to fall for it."

What is with this atitude? Fall for what? Why is it "falling" for something? This is an opportunity. You can say "yes" or "no". People who say yes are not "falling" for anything. Its a business. You buy stuff, you get paid. You refer people who buy stuff and you get paid. You sell stuff, you get paid. I

t might be an energy drink, or vitamins, or it might be a TV or camera from Circuit City. It might be a fishing pole from BassProShop, or a book from Barnes & Noble, or a doll from Disney! Those are just some of our Partner Stores, who I guess have "fallen" for it too!

When are you critics gonna get over the negative hype and just realize that this is a business opportunity. Some people make a lot of money with this, some people don't! You get compensated for whatever level you're at. It's pretty simple.

"What is with this atitude? Fall for what? Why is it "falling" for something? This is an opportunity. "

I don't see it as an opportunity. I see it as a major embarrasment.

"You can say "yes" or "no". People who say yes are not "falling" for anything. Its a business."

I did say yes first. But quickly realized the negatives. Its not a business, its a pyramid scheme.

"When are you critics gonna get over the negative hype and just realize that this is a business opportunity.

It's the hype and the promise of untold riches. It's the idea that you can get rich without working for it. It's loosing all the friends and families that you have because you are going to hassle them to join. Some people are comfortable doing that. Some are not.

Sorry Vikram, but you got the Wrong idea! There's no promise of "untold riches". We say every week in our Open Meeting, "there are no guarantees"!

"It's the idea that you can get rich without working for it." - That's total BS!, of course it takes work! I have Never heard anyone say, 'you can get rich without working for it!' Who told You that??

"It's loosing all the friends and families that you have because you are going to hassle them to join." MORE BS! If that's the kind of jerk you are, then yea I guess you might hassle them to join. I haven't hassled anyone! I offer it to people, if they want to, I help them, if not, no big deal. I still have all my same friends, some are in, some are not. I also focus on retail accounts, such as XS and the Gift Albums, not just networking. That's the beauty in Owning Your Own Business!

Did Ray Kroc (McDonalds) or Dave Thomas (Wendy's) "hassle" people when offering them the chance to own their own franchise business? That's basically all we do- Private Franchising.

> I nod and smile to most Indians. I feel like an idiot when they don't smile back or stare at me blankly. It sort of makes sense.

It's kind of wierd because I'm not able to relate to these people. Yeah, I'm Indian but I don't really speak the language. Then when they speak to me in Gujrati or Hindi and I'm lost for words they look away in disgust and I'm embarrassed.

> Its not a business, its a pyramid scheme.

I'm not too familiar with the business... but how is it a pyramid scheme? And shouldn't it be illegal?

M, I'm of Italian decent, but I don't speak the language, no need to be embarrassed of that.

How is it a pyramid? Good question. Its not. It's a legitmate Network Marketing business, that pays you on volume, whether the volume is created thru your own personal use, members/clients (customers) or other business owners like yourself. At my job, if I refer someone to the company, I make a $1000 referal bonus. Buts it a 1-time bonus, even though that person is going to continue to create profit for the company.

In Quixtar, if you refer someone to the team, every month that they create volume, you get credit for it too! It's residual. And here's the thing, just because you refer someone to the business, doesn't mean you're always making more than them - cause its not a pyramid. I could help you get started and from day 1 you could make More than me! That doesn't happen in a pyramid (or a job) - pyramids are illegal! Quixtar is not! visit www.thisbiznow.com to read about what city offcials, and executives of Other companies have to say about Qx. Visit www.quixtarfacts.com to see some stats on how Qx is doing financially!

A lot of people have misconceptions about Qx, because there is a lot of skepticism about any "home based business". And alot of people have "tried it" and not succeeded, and its easier to blame the business, to save face, than just take responsibility. Its not for everyone, and thats OK. If you give it a try and it doesn't work out, no big deal, it doesn't make you a loser. But if you quit and then bash it? - well That might.

Tony,

You are a bumbling idiot... and I hope you rot in hell forever. I spent the past few days researching Quixtar and you seem to post this sort of crap EVERYWHERE! Take a look at his webpage... go here:
http://www.thisbiznow.com/quixtar/documents/18606_ByNumbers_fin.pdf

LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 2!!! The average IBO had a gross income of $115!!! WOO HOO!!! If you take into account how much time they put in to earn that (10-20hours a week) some of them make as much as $2-$4 per hour!!! and that isn't taking into account expenses like gas for all those trips to "show the plan" and it doesn't take into account all of the money IBOs spend on brainwashing tools or event tickets!

I post where ever I find misinformation about Qx. Not to mention you posted this exact thing on another site! YOU'RE the spammer! I used to post alot on qblog. I still visit, but since he links to alot of other blogs I post there. Also, www.thisbiznow.com is not "my" webpage.

So you're making fun of the average IBO only making $115/month? So how much does Walmart and Biggs pay you for shoppng there? How much does Circuit City, OfficeMax, and Disney pay you? Don't bother answering, I know its ZERO.

Do you understand how the business works? We get paid for shopping. Not to mention, I know alot of people who are IBOs but are not trying to build a Big business, they just like the products, renew to get the discount and Earn Money Back! Also, the "average IBO" isn't really doing what it takes to get there. Or they are doing it, and they're just working their way up. 2 years ago my sponsor was making like $40/month! Now he just made $3000 back in August! For doing what? For redirecting his buying habits to companies that PAY HIM to shop, and for refering others to do the same! He also retails about 150pv/month.

See we get paid for creating volume, whether its our own usage, from members/clients we refer, or from other business owners we refer, who do the same thing, buy from themselves, retail and/or develop a team.

I don't expect you to understand it, we're not taught this in school. We learn more about Socialism and Communism in school than we do about Capitolism and Free Enterprise. Its a concept called Franchising, and its very profitable. Thats why you can drive down any main road and pass dozens of franchises.

You seem to hate me, for some reason, but I still wish you the best. (Also, to the owner of this site. I thought you screen posts to stop hateful or malicious posts? Doesn't his 1st statement qualify? Man, guess I should be harsher here ;)
Take care.

Tony: You are confused. MLMs are scams. You prey on your friends and family to guilt trip them. All in all, the only guys making the real money are at the top. They tell you if you work hard you will succeed. To help you succeed you pay up for videos and training. I hope you are making the videos, Tony...because the real truth is, Qx is not very lucrative and your energiees could be spent elsewhere.

Jade, it is You, not me, who is confused. You're pretty much the epitomy of a critbot or at least an uninformed skeptic. MLMs are not scams. I do not prey on my friends or family, or guilt trip them! (Thanks for the ASSumptions!) Some are involved, some are not, some buy stuff from me, some do not.

You say the only guys making the real money are at the top. This is a classic skeptic fallacy. What you described is a JOB, my boss makes more than me, his boss makes more than him, the guys at the Top make all the real money. See what you described is a pyramid, this is not one. I know people who make twice and 3times what the guy above him makes! So much for That argument!

So you didn't buy training? Didn't you go to college? didn't you pay thousands of $$ in tuition, lectures, labs, books, CD's, seminars, etc??

No thanks, I think i'll spend my energies here. You go ahead and spend your energy working for another man or geting another degree in college. Whatever you decide to do, I wish you luck.

Guys,

A little stroll around the internet, and speaking to ex-distributors of Amway/Qx, is enough to convince the average guy that the entire scheme is simply not worth the effort and the risk.

Or, if you want, you can get in, get a taste, and get out - if you are still able to (that is, if your uplines haven't been too good at brainwashing you) - which is what happened with me.

I'm a very successful professional now who earns much more outside 'the business' than what they promised me inside it.

The basic premise is right - that a business owner is in control of his own destiny. But what you need to understand in the Amway/Qx business, is how many universal truths are twisted and misinterpreted for the gain a of a few.

Please download and read this free ebook:
http://www.merchantsofdeception.com/
I and many of my contacts have experienced basically the same story.

Of course, for someone like Tony to understand this, will take a few more years, because they only see what they want to (with absolutely no insult intended here - that is the power of motivational organisations).

My mission here is not to get people to see 'the light' at all - I'm happy that I saw it soon enough and motivated myself enough to get out.

I can only pray for those people still in the system.

Tony,
Thanks for your comments. I'm an Emerald in the business and I am proud of how well you communicated what we believe. I used to be negative and a critic (I was quite broke because of that attitude) but I absolutely love the business, love my friends in the business and out and especially love what it has taught my children. My life is simpler, I no longer have to go to work (my husband is home too) and I understand not everyone has the IQ level to know an opportunity and grab it! Way to go! Keep going! See ya on the beaches!

Well, to my knowledge, Tony hasn't been raking in the dough from quixtar yet. And please stop comparing quixtar to college. College don't recruit you with the promise of wealth. College has a set curriculum and when you finish, you possess a skill or knowledge that can be applied in the job market. Quixtar diamonds teach you nothing. Sure, the cd's may be motivational in nature, but there's no end to it. You attend functions and hear the same dribble over and over, and what's worse, it's the same guys speaking at the functions. There'a hardly any new growth.

Try this. Go to a function. Add up all the income made (through quixtar) by everyone in the room. Then add up the expenses incurred by everyone in the room. I'd bet the expenses exceed the income. It's crazy to pay $90 to attend FED so you can learn to do 100 PV and get back $8.

And let's dispel residual income (attrition will assure that you won't get any). Even if you somehow made it and got residual income, well then you're no better than the boss who makes money off the efforts of others. You will then have downline making your money while you get a free lunch, something for nothing. Don't the diamonds teach you that there's no such thing?

I have a good friend and colleague who has been quietly pestering me to join the business. I an analytical man and have always tried to ask the question " why" ?

There are two questions I have asked myself several times. For those bashing Quixtar and for those promoting it, my two questions are applicable to both of you:

1. If Quixtar is a scam, then how will one explain the affluent people who have actually quit their lucrative careers to join the business full time ? Yes, they are rich. I am pretty sure they don't indulge in drugs or smuggling so this money has to come from quixtar. So maybe it works !
2. However, if Quixtar is so lucrative and life altering and the greatest business opportunity on earth, why do those "agents" or "IBOs" never show a visiting card ? Why don't they proudly proclaim "financial freedom" from Quixtar. After all, one thought they'd be thankful to Quixtar. Why is the plan never explained to everyone in the first meeting or for that matter why is the plan so secretive ? Why are their speeches never about the "How" but always about the "dreams" and "vision".

Finally, I am still sitting on the fence. I don't know whether this is good or bad but I will not criticize anyone. I just had those two questions above. Maybe someone will answer them clearly and without bias.

Cheerios,

Jay

Yea, Quixtar is a scam. Okay, no it's not quixtar that is a scam, quixtar itself is something like a poorly paying affiliate marketing program with an entry fee. The motivational tapes or dvd's or whatever are a scam. But if you want to make some $$ in it you can always make your own tapes. I'd rather sell drugs though. It's more honest. But if you wonder why people quit their jobs, read the merchans of deception book. There's your answer. Quixtar is for people to make money off the work and ignorance of others and some of them are very good at it. But unless you have no scruples, it's a waste of time and money. And the products are crap. (that should get a rise from Tony Baloney.) Also, I have this nagging suspicion old tony works for Alticore (parent company) because he's far to bright and informed to fall for a sham like this. But on the other hand he could just be naive.
Oh, and info on the net isn't hype. It's peoples honest opinions, some even from experience. And I can't seem to find any one who says, "well, I'm not in quixtar, but it's a wonderfull business and a good way to make some extra cash...", that isn't on their payroll. Even forbes magazine says their a joke. But unfortunatly it isn't a very funny joke. Just a sad one. Toodles.